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Thomas Tallis
Mass 'Puer natus est nobis' - Gloria.mp3
As I had difficulties to keep following the flow of the latin words, I drew for myself a time chart.
Perhaps it may help other people too
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Only one example to help, because when you know where exactly it is, recognition is easier: "Propter magnam" can be heard from 1:25 - 1:29 from the alto, I believe, and then from 1:33 - 1:41 with a repetition. Ear phones will make it easier as well.fan_de_LoK wrote: ↑<span title="Mon May 27, 2019 6:41 pm">5 years ago</span> I forgot to mention, the lines in red correspond to words I am not able to recognize in the song.
despite knowing what the words are supposed to be, my ears are not able to understand them in the song![]()
Right - and interesting: The word "polyphony" is used differently in English and German. Polyphony in German stands for the indepence of all voices, a predominant feature of the renaissance epoch, whereas Libera's music is not polyphone in this strict sense. And so it was interesting to see that "polyphone" in English includes the mere existence of several voices, regardless of either a reference to equality or to a main voice with the others being subordinated. Something learnt today.Surpinto wrote: ↑<span title="Tue May 28, 2019 10:52 am">5 years ago</span> I have listened to some of those sections and the reason for the confusion with wording is because the different voice parts of the choir overlap various lines from the traditional, and as you say, unalterable liturgical text. Some vocal parts repeat a previous line; while others go on to the next one. This is of course done to create the polyphony effect that characterizes compositions of that time period and which Libera, through Robert Prizeman, also makes great use of - albeit in a different manner.
I wonder if this was the same person who sat next to me at the Vallendar concert? He was apparently well known in choral circles and was treated with some deference by the sisters (full of self importance too). He talked a lot and was very critical of Libera’s performance and did not stay for the second half of the concert.filiarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm">5 years ago</span> The only negative was my seat neighbour. First he annoyed me, among more, with derogative remarks about Libera, but he disqualified himself at the latest when he stated that they sing almost no sacred music! Plus he didn't stop talking. There was an official speech at the beginning and my neighbour in fact commented on it permanently, with low voice, but loud enough to be heard around us. And he just kept talking so that I feared he would talk into the music what he thankfully did not, but between the songs ... His behaviour in general was impolite, to say the least.
Your ability to write reviews is practically unrivaled here. So happy to have read of your positive concert experiences and your enjoyment of the choirs. I have heard of all of those choirs but have never listened to them live; now it's a must.filiarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm">5 years ago</span> Last week, on Ascension Day, I took my most spontaneous decision ever, buying a concert ticket for the 5. Knabenchorfestival (5th Boys Choirs Festival) in Bad Tölz
Talking without end and being very critical certainly fit in. However, he asked me whether I had noticed the drop out of the sound system "in the last song, Veni Creator Spiritus". I'm confused, because he should have been present to hear the last song, but the failures of the sound system at that concert did not hit, as far as I remember, this song nor Libera, which was linked to it. He called others experts (in contrast to himself) and did not seem to be well-known. So I think your neighbour in Vallendar was someone different. To be honest, I do not think that Vallendar was one of Libera's best sung concerts, although I enjoyed it, but he was so ignorant of some basics about them and in some points just wrong.john45 wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:17 pm">5 years ago</span> I wonder if this was the same person who sat next to me at the Vallendar concert? He was apparently well known in choral circles and was treated with some deference by the sisters (full of self importance too). He talked a lot and was very critical of Libera’s performance and did not stay for the second half of the concert.
maartendas wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:07 pm">5 years ago</span> The Escolania are on my wish list too.
Do!
That's a great review. I was also at the Knabenchor Festival. In fact I was there from the Thursday so I got to hear both Platzkonzert and the Mass on Sunday by the Tölzer Knabenchor.filiarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm">5 years ago</span> Last week, on Ascension Day, I took my most spontaneous decision ever, buying a concert ticket for the 5. Knabenchorfestival (5th Boys Choirs Festival) in Bad Tölz...
Definitely not me by the wayfiliarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm">5 years ago</span>
The only negative was my seat neighbour. First he annoyed me, among more, with derogative remarks about Libera, but he disqualified himself at the latest when he stated that they sing almost no sacred music! Plus he didn't stop talking. There was an official speech at the beginning and my neighbour in fact commented on it permanently, with low voice, but loud enough to be heard around us. And he just kept talking so that I feared he would talk into the music what he thankfully did not, but between the songs ... His behaviour in general was impolite, to say the least.
You were there, too!TrebleVoices wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:43 pm">5 years ago</span>In fact I was there from the Thursday so I got to hear both Platzkonzert and the Mass on Sunday by the Tölzer Knabenchor.
I like it very much that they don't only have the opportunity to sing together, but also have some time to share some more activities together.TrebleVoices wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:43 pm">5 years ago</span> [...] the Knabenchor Capella Vocalis. They also won the football tournament on the Sunday evening, so there is all-round talent there!
Same here and I did regret not to have heard "El cant dels ocells", which I saw listed in the gala concert programme, and their other songs as well.TrebleVoices wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:43 pm">5 years ago</span> Finally I have to say my favourite choir to attend the Knabenchor Festival were the Escolania de Montserrat, their sound was fantastic in every concert. Very happy to have heard them!
Phew, so glad you confirm that.TrebleVoices wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:02 pm">5 years ago</span>Definitely not me by the wayfiliarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:21 pm">5 years ago</span> The only negative was my seat neighbour. [...]![]()
Seems there were some more to disturb ... Oh well, my neighbour was enough for me.TrebleVoices wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:02 pm">5 years ago</span> Although, I have a slight idea I know who it is. [...] I very nearly got up during one of the choir changes to say something during the morning matinee to one of the photographers who felt it was fine to constantly tromp up and down creaky wooden pulpit!
There is a lot of snobbery amongst traditional choral fans towards Libera. I have a friend who regularly attends lots of choral concerts but he consistently refuses to acknowledge that they are worth listening to. I did however manage to change his opinion slightly, when he heard "I Saw Three Ships".filiarheni wrote: ↑<span title="Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:37 pm">5 years ago</span> You were there, too!What a pity not to have known that to say hello from Libera fan to Libera fan! (And imagine that non-Libera fan having to face a superior power of two Libera fans.
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