New album is called Hope

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Re: New album is called Hope

Post by kinda_k00l » 2 weeks ago

Jay_S wrote:
<span title="Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:43 am">2 weeks ago</span>
Interesting discussion. I have nothing to add but I find the idea of 'choir breathing' kind of fascinating :D
Yes, it's a very good thing. I've been telling my choir this, but they tend to forget where they're supposed to breathe most of the time. :roll:


Padmachou wrote:
<span title="Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:31 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
Libera boys MUST do the same, seeing how much they like eyeing each other during concerts :roll:
Totally!! No matter how skillful they are, their lungs have not yet fully developed to have enough storage for all the air required (and we adults also have problems with it, let alone boys from 7-16). And yes, they DO take frequent breaths in 'Sanctus'. However, they do that so skillfully & smoothly that I sometimes have to remind myself that these are a group of young boys, these are a group of young boys... :lol: :lol:


filiarheni wrote:
<span title="Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:26 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
I second Padmachou, it's really easy, andmar. The conductors I have experienced simply told us that we should breathe choir-like - can any native speaker name the right English expression? - and let us do the rest on our own ("you here, me there") or sometimes we breathe when we are sure that our neighbours don't ... and anyway, it's a short breathing only - grab (nip? snap?), so that everyone's interruption of the song is as short as possible.

Well. One of a choir conductor's best-practised arts is to forbid breathing. :lol:
Agree, but I have to say although the concept seems easy, my (children) choir has quite a difficult job doing that smoothly enough (well, not to my ears). I have to think of a strategy for them and am hoping it will work. :idea:


andmar wrote:
<span title="Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:05 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
It must be difficult for a choir to sing that way. I'd prefer that explanation much more over the one with recording the voice and playing it back, as I'm not a great fan of too much electronic manipulation of the natural voices.
I still think that the opening of 'Venite Adoramus' is synchronized (also the legato in 'From A Distance' at the point where Alex M begins to sing his solo). :| It does not sound very natural - I think even if they really sing that, their voices must have been edited pretty much (in that case I really want to see these songs in lives with the real voices). :D Some of you have come to the concerts where 'From A Distance' was sung, may I ask if the choir joined the accompaniment in the first solo verse?
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Re: New album is called Hope

Post by hiskeys » 2 weeks ago

In our choir, we refer to it as 'stagger your breathing'.

If you just say that to the whole group, then you risk too many of them taking a breath at the same time, especially since the tendency for most people is to wait and take their breath near the end of the phrase, instead of some taking it right away at or near the beginning. So I suppose if you wanted to be more precise, you would have to designate who breathes where.

I usually pick an unimportant syllable, like 'of' or 'the', and breathe in on that note. That way I'm still mouthing all of the words, and it's more difficult to tell who's breathing.

If it's simply a long sustained note, then of course it is more challenging to go out and come back in gradually so that you don't make a noticeable dropout or entrance. If I was a choir director, it might even be worth it to hand mark everyone's music differently, so that you get the effect you want.

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Re: New album is called Hope

Post by andmar » 2 weeks ago

Padmachou wrote:
<span title="Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:02 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
Not so hard, really, you just have to decide who will breath at which time.
filiarheni wrote:
<span title="Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:26 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
I second Padmachou, it's really easy, andmar.
Well, if you say so. I have never sung in any choir, so I can hardly imagine, that someone can sing a note, then take a breath and then come back to singing the same note without actually any change in the volume level or articulation or so.

I listened very carefully and a couple of times to the first like 30 seconds of Venite Adoremus. I think, that the long sound "mmmmm...." is a sampled voice, which is then reproduced and hold for a long time. But only this one. The "aahhhhh...."s which appear and disappear while the initial "mmmmmm..." is still there (but with lover sound volume), are actually separate voices. They seem to be sung "live" - without sampling.

Just as you, I'd love to hear Venite Adoremus live one day.

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Re: New album is called Hope

Post by filiarheni » 2 weeks ago

hiskeys wrote:
<span title="Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:17 am">2 weeks ago</span>
In our choir, we refer to it as 'stagger your breathing'.

If you just say that to the whole group, then you risk too many of them taking a breath at the same time, especially since the tendency for most people is to wait and take their breath near the end of the phrase, instead of some taking it right away at or near the beginning. So I suppose if you wanted to be more precise, you would have to designate who breathes where.
I had no idea how complicated staggering the breathing (thank you, hiskeys!) can be! :lol: Well, none of the conductors I've gone through so far told us where we have to breathe; instead they all say it like this: "You may breathe anywhere, but not at that point." And it works just fine. :)

andmar wrote:
<span title="Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:34 pm">2 weeks ago</span>
Well, if you say so. I have never sung in any choir, so I can hardly imagine, that someone can sing a note, then take a breath and then come back to singing the same note without actually any change in the volume level or articulation or so.
Don't forget, it's live. The audience will never hear such tiny nuances of a single voice during a choir part. It's a very, very short taking in of some breath. You can't hear that one voice is absent for a moment.
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Re: New album is called Hope

Post by chris17 » 1 week ago

In my choir we also called it staggered breathing, and the director would typically tell us specific spots not to breathe, as well. The trickiest thing about the breathing isn't so much the lack of sound because one voice is absent; it's if the person then comes in late, or puts a consonant on at a different time than everyone else. That sort of thing stands out. Even just re-entering the choral sound with a perfectly smooth voice quality can be difficult, but it's not all that noticeable with a large group singing.

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